Christianity Oasis Forum

[Daniel2001]

How does one reconcile the Yahweh of the Old Testament with the God of love and Jesus in the NT? He seemed so cruel in the OT and yet quite different in the New. The scripture says that God does not change, yet the depictions are quite polar.

[dema]

God is given many names and many aspects.

People changed. A parent treats a 2 year old quite differently than a 10 year old, a 16 year old or an adult child. In the NT, God basically gave us the chance to accept Jesus and become adult children. In the OT, people were treated as the immature people that they were. Also the history of the OT should teach us. We should be able to learn from the past.

God has always had foreknowledge - or more accurately, had always been outside of history. He knew if people were going to stray - and if their straying would cause great damage in the big picture.

Short answer though, is people changed. Prior to Moses, the people of the Bible didn't even have a written language. These were pretty much savages by our standards.

Does that help?

[Daniel2001]

Thanks Dema, but would you not say that God changed his ways, too? To be honest, he killed or ordered killed countless children. Yet he is the god of love now. I cannot explain it.
Daniel

[Daniel2001]

Maybe I am questioning too much or reading the Bible too much.

[dema]

CS Lewis describes God as being outside of time. He can pick up a book for anyone of us and read any part of it - he knows our beginning, end and everything in the middle. It isn't that we don't do a lot to write the pages - but he is outside of time looking in. And so he can see all of time.

God told David, and Solomon, not to have but one wife. They each had hundreds of wives. This was not God's will. David still managed to have a heart that loved God and sought God. But, Solomon, the wisest man ever, sacrificed to false Gods. The wives tempted, successfully, to do horrible things.

There are times in the OT where God told the Israelites to kill everybody and they didn't. And there were repercussions. Bad things happened.

My take on the OT is that God knew that if A happened, B would follow. If B was damaging, but didn't mess up everything, then God let B happen. But if B would mess up everything - then God prevented B. He did this in a variety of ways, including slaughter at the hand of the Hebrews.

God is the same Yesterday, Today and Forever. I think the difference is that in this day and age, the interference that does the most good is loving interference. Healing, miracles, rescues. And there are documented miracles. Many of them.

But, I think that in the OT, that the people of the time just wouldn't have gotten it. They would have been running around making Golden calves, worshipping other Gods - oh, my goodness, even with the flood and the miracles in Egypt and.... they STILL did that. Well, then what would they have done without God's interference? Without His punishment?

Would they have had temple prostitutes like the pagans did? What would have happened?

God knows. And I think that is the whole reason. God does, and did, KNOW what would have happened otherwise. And he prevented it.

[Daniel2001]

Thanks Dema for your thoughtful reply.