Yes, Lizzie (outdoing beautiful
) > we could have an interesting word game of naming words which can have exact opposite definitions. One example > a *citation* can be a fine for driving too fast, or a citation can be the annual award for the safest school bus driver. "Love" can mean God who is love (1 John 4:8&18), or "love" can mean "a root of all kinds of evil" (1 Timothy 6:9-10); plus, ones believe "love" can mean agape, phileo, eros . . . . so, there can be various meanings of "love". So, when we find the same word, in the Bible, "contradicting" itself > it "could" be our own understanding is contradicting itself, but not what God means. There are times when "he" is used to talk about the devil or one of the good guys; and we can tell what "he" means in each use. So, like this, we can be more open to how God means the same word, each time He uses it.
Words like "grace" and "faith", I'd say, also can mean different things. But ones latch on to some first definition they have been told, then they use this exact same definition *every* time they read about faith or love or grace, etc. "Prosper" is an interesting one, also
. . . what "prosper" can mean.
vahn wrote: I have come to a , although still leaving myself open for corrections , "conclusion" that the whole point is kind of being "missed"
Yes, we can get into an issue, then get a conclusion that has nothing to do with what something is really all about
It can be good to see a scripture, then just be open to the LORD, and get what we get; then keep on being open to the LORD, because we will grow and develop to be able to learn more and other things, even so better once we have grown to be able to handle what is so more and better. But take what we can, now, and built and grow with this.
Example > faith > many consider faith to be believing what we are told about the Bible. This is good, if we do what is good about what we believe. But then we find out faith involves *obeying*, not only believing while we live a pretty good life. Then we discover > oh > "casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you." (1 Peter 5:7) So, faith is *trusting* God for everything. And we get to Galatians 5:6 > about "faith working through love" > oh, so faith is about what can be done "through love", and then we can be making the connection how love means God's love "in our hearts" (
Romans 5:5); and God in His love loves all people; so this love is making us *all*-loving . . . so we are not using our "faith" just for ourselves and getting our own selves saved, but . . . lo and behold . . . we brothers and sisters in Jesus are "members of one another", we have in Romans 12:5. So, in
"faith working through love" we can be so connected with each other, depending on one another and trusting one another like members of the human body can so depend on each other for support and the supply of blood from one each member to the other > we in Jesus have the *love* blood of the Holy Spirit flowing from one to another > so, yes, we do depend on each other, very much for our salvation and growing in Jesus; and with this comes trusting one another in the Holy Spirit . . . because of *faith* making us able with God to do this safely and well with each other, how You lead, of course
So, Vahn . . . I might offer > keep in yourself how you are not on your own.
Also > wherever you go > Jesus did say,
"'Go your way; behold,
I send you out as lambs among wolves.'" (Luke 10:3)
"And who is he who will harm you
if you become followers of what is good?"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (1 Peter 3:13)
But this means to do what Jesus has us doing . . . to obey. Or we could get in trouble >
"Good understanding gains favor,
.But the way of the unfaithful is hard."
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (Proverbs 18:15)
The first thing all of my coaches in my both competitive and team sports (wrestling , boxing , martial arts and basketball respectively) involvements were , including military training , "Now remember , and NEVER forget , they have arms , legs and weapons as well , and they ARE going to use them " . But our weapons and potential capability is better than Satan's. It's kind of like in fighting the Arab terrorists > the terrorists have eyesight problems so they can't shoot well, plus they have a way of being suicidal, and use drugs to give them oomf against pain (except I'd say may be those drugs can hinder them from having sense and effectiveness). Satan and his are "handicapped" . . . "challenged"
But we can have a way of evening the "odds", by doing things in our own "challenged" egos and thinking we are obeying God. Then we fall, and we need that toilet paper that Pine has been spreading around
Lots of toilet paper, after how we can be falling and rolling around, etc.
Not quite in context with this, Vahn, you shared >
One would go "hah , why in the world would anyone want to go into a territory like that ?"
Well you see , that is not the point of it is it ? The whole point is in the the REASON of why we are sent (led ? tempted ? tested ? ) to war . Well there is only one obvious reason isn't there ? To restore something that had gone awry , and showing that by me keeping the focus on the One who sent me , the enemy WILL be defeated regardless of the "buckshots" , just so that , by returning , I would be proof that it (His will) can and will be done .
As of for the why's and how's of whether our Lord tempt us , test us , lead us , has absolutely nothing to do with me , It is only Our Father saying , "IT is I that decides how I choose to prove to the confused world of Who I AM , and what I can do , without Me , you are nothing ! "
God does lead us
"through the valley of the shadow of death", we can see, through Psalm 23:4 > and we will fear *no* evil. But this means while we are obeying and it is You, LORD, who are leading us through the valley. And we have how
"You prepare a table before me
. . . . . in the presence of my enemies;"
. . . . . . . . . . .(in Psalm 23:5)
So . . . to me, this means that in the presence of any enemies, at all > we can have all that You please to share with us, of Your own table prepared by *You* before us, LORD. Any enemy can mean the most dangerous of people in the world, or it can mean memories that come back to hurt us but Your love almighty makes us immune to being effected in a bad way by these memories. And . . . how I can fail, still > this is maybe the main enemy I have to deal with; but You can keep me and make me safe from *myself*
and more and more make me like Jesus so I can't give in to sin and being hurt and being unforgiving, etc.
And Vahn said,
"keeping the focus on the One who sent me" > our main interest is God, Himself, not just defeating the devil and doing away with all the evil . . . not only controlling wrong people by means of laws > no law can make anyone love. We need the good that should be instead of the evil. So, it is very practical, even, to be enjoying You, LORD, sensitively sharing with You, most of all, rather than merely trying to solve our problems and troubles so we can get back into our own little bubbles
I notice how the prayer the Lord Jesus has taught us starts with "Our Father" > prayer does not begin with "our sins"
and our failures and getting God to solve our problems and doing things on our wish list. But first is loving our Daddy and intimately also sharing with one another. And so, we overcome evil while having this good >
"Do not be overcome by evil,
but overcome evil with good."
. . . . . . . . . . . . . .(Romans 12:21)
Also, we have Luke 10:17-20 about how the disciples came back so joyful about how the demons were subject to them; but Jesus says that's not the main thing to rejoice about > be glad
"because your names are written in heaven." So, make sure the good is present. It's like how the Americans could move around however they pleased in Iraq, but *could they keep the peace*? With God, we can beat the evil, and enjoy good that is safe from evil.