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First of all i am not saying after you read everything that i am giving in to sin, i am still trying my hardest not to, however after starting to read Desiring God by John Piper i came across a line that got me questioning things. if anyone can help me out to get back into the right mind please do....

“The evil Satan causes is only by permission of God.” John Piper, Desiring God page 35 second paragraph

This makes me confused for the simple fact that if sin is committed as a part of Gods plan then why do we try so hard not to sin. The only answer I can come with are (1) it is to test our strength in faith and (2) sometimes it is necessary to sin. Just like Judas sinned in betraying Jesus, but if he didn’t Christ would not have died on the cross for our sins. Yet still, how are we supposed to know the difference between sin that is meant for an overall positive outcome and sin that doesn’t do anything? Or is there such thing as sin with no purpose, what if all sin has purpose and that’s why we sin? I understand that the human race has choice to sin and that we just are sinful, and we are forgiven. Perhaps we are not to sin for it is considered blatant disregard for the gifts that God has bestowed upon us. To show him affection we are to uphold his rules by choice, but again if we are sinful then it can not escape us. As I was told, if you never want to sin again go stand in the street and get hit by a bus. It is impossible for the human race to escape sin, and sin can only happen under Gods permission. So does this mean that God allows us to sin, it has to be the case. So, to prove my point of confusion, why are we supposed to try our hardest not to sin? Granted sin is sin, however I want to be able to identify my sin even retrospectively, the difference between when I sinned for nothing and when I sinned as part of Gods plan so that I may more correctly curve my behavior. Not to repeat the same sin again because I think it will be apart of gods plans, but to see the hard times of life as a gift from god.
Why should we try our hardest not to sin if some sin is necessary and we don’t know the difference? To please god for if we are meant to sin then he will not let us escape it.
However this leads me to if we cannot escape sin, why try? As in, if God created us to be sinful by nature, why try to fight it?

i'm a little embarrassed, posting this. i know its not right but i want this internal turmoil resolved so i am looking to an out side source for help. thank you

[mlg]

Hey there Welcome to the Oasis.

I want to share a Truth with you...the only True word you need to read is the Bible. All the answers you seek can be found there. I noticed you were reading a book by a man who was expressing his own opinion of sin...but honestly...I think you need to be careful reading "man's" opinion as you can get caught up and misled if you are not careful.

1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

When you read something written by another...you need to go to the Bible and search to make sure what they are saying reflects the Truth shared in the Bible or not.

God allows things to happen in our lives...and God allows the enemy to walk to and fro on the earth...but God does not make us sin...nor does he want us to sin....God despises what the enemy does...and God despises sin. God gives us what we call free will...the ability to make a choice to follow Him and do our best to not sin...or we can choose to follow the wiles of the enemy...but God will not force us...as He loves us...and He wants us to make the Right choice...the one that says we love Him in return.

Psalms 4:4
Stand in awe, and sin not: commune with your own heart upon your bed, and be still. Selah.

My prayers are with you. Keep fighting against the enemy...and follow that which is good.

Take care and God Bless